What Does A Hole Punched Drivers License Mean In California
A California driver's license or nondriver's ID; A U.S. Passport (or passport card); An inmate identification card issued by the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation if the. (Note: Matricula consular cards issued by the government of Mexico do not meet California's statutory requirements.).
PA DMV uses a hole punch to mark a license as invalid. The most common time this is done is when you renew your license, and they punch the old one. Since the one you're looking at is not expired, it's been invalidated for another reason. Most likely, the license was suspended and the individual was issued a non-driver ID or a restricted DL in its place. So the ID number may still be valid, but the document presented to you isn't. #1799343 - 03/28/13 02:12 PM Re: Driver's license with hole punched - still an ID? [] Member Registered: 03/27/13 Posts: 82 Loc: Phila.
To play Devil's Advocate most procedures I have seen state 'unexpired drivers license' and not valid drivers license. And even A bank using documentary methods to verify a customer’s identity must have procedures that set forth the minimum acceptable documentation. The CIP rule gives examples of types of documents that have long been considered primary sources of identification. The rule reflects the federal banking agencies’ expectations that banks will review an unexpired government-issued form of identification from most customers.
I would not suggest that anyone accept ID that is not valid but would it be acceptable by policy? Ozya - you are in PA and the DL is from PA.
These are rhetorical questions to think about. Ken's guidance is my experience - the hole is nothing to me, but what about the person's address? Application address same as DL's with the hole?
Is the address 'current'? If from PA and the hole implies they got another state's DL - why? If your CS staff would ask a simple question, you wouldn't be left wondering - 'Hey why the hole?' Each State can do what it wants with it's DL's and other's if issuing a new one. I submit that the hole action is a licensing/law enforcement function that has no bearing on CIP other than to insert some doubt in the attempt to do BSA stuff and form 'a reasonable belief as to the identity of the person'.
I would ask a couple of questions, but wouldn't worry too much about it if the answers were forthright. Heck we can take a Government card issued by 'Nicaragua', we should be able to take a current PA card with a hole in it - or the BSA would say so.
Maybe it means they donated $1,000 to the Toys for Tots program. In Hawaii a little red flower sticker means you are a 'real' resident, vs someone without one.
Honestly, I think we navel gaze (second guess ourselves) too much about these regs. Just follow the letter of the law. #1799786 - 03/29/13 03:24 PM Re: Driver's license with hole punched - still an ID?
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Almost entirely the bouncer/doorman's call. Even if the establishment has a, ' Valid ID required for entry,' policy, on a busy night the door staff may or may not be looking closely (or at all) at the IDs.
Even if they don't have such a policy, if the bouncer doesn't like your looks, it'll give 'em a reason to bar you (not that they really need one, but hey.). That said, presuming they're not in a completely pissed-off mood, they'll probably be inclined to cut you some slack since it's so close to your 21st (happy birthday). But if the night out's imortant to you, probably best not to rely on the good will of others, neh? What's the bigger hassle? The semi-known quantity of getting some form of current ID by Friday (if that's even possible at this point), or the possibility of having to shop around for a club with an easygoing/lazy security staff? Former doorman here.
The only time I would accept an expired license was if the person looked over 25, and had a whole wallet full of collaboration with the same name. 21 and look it and that's the only thing you have, no chance. Expired license and a paper renewal less than 30 days old, maybe, if you have some credit and insurance cardage for backup.
What matters isn't how long the temp is good for legally for driving purposes, it's how long before they should have mailed you the real license. Keep in mind that a bar is not a public road. Your license does not give you the legal right to enter a private business, period. If you go out, you really need to get the temp. Have it out and unfolded along with with the expired license before you get to the doorman, so you don't hold things up.
He won't need you to explain what it is, he's seen them before. And, no, bars aren't happy to see 21 years olds on their birthdays. Too many get way out of hand. Good luck, and have fun. (but not too much). DMV issues ID cards to persons of any age. The ID card looks like a driver license, but is used for identification purposes only.
How to apply for or renew an identification (ID) card DMV issues two types of ID cards. A regular ID card valid for six years, and a senior citizen ID card valid for 10 years. To qualify for a senior citizen ID card, you must be age 62 or older. To apply for an ID card you will need to do the following: * Visit a DMV office (make an appointment for faster service) * Complete application form DL 44 (An original DL 44 form must be submitted. Copies will not be accepted.) * Give a thumb print * Have your picture taken * Provide your social security number. It will be verified with the Social Security Administration while you are in the office. * Verify your birth date and legal presence (you may use your California driver license) * Pay the $21 application fee.
There is no fee for a senior citizen ID card. Dunno about CA, but in NC, they can get anal about this sort of thing because, if something were to go wrong and you get caught, the party or the establishment that accepted you also risk getting fined, all the way to getting shut down.
Regular municipal cops don't handle that sort of thing though. Here, such responsibilites are delegated to the Alcoholic Law Enforcement agency, or ALE for short. I know it sounds a bit too comical to be true, but I assure you. So you see, if anything's out of place, you're not the only one who can get in trouble for it.
Yeah, I have DL and an ID card, both expire at different times so I am never without an ID. Not much help in your current situation, but for future knowledge. It also helps when my bank wants 2 forms of ID to get cash on a check. SSN card is not a form of ID. It actually really sucks for some people if they don't have the state ID card or a bank card with the bank. I think it is a way for the bank to make people either be a member of the bank (since the checking card from them counts as ID), or take their checks elsewhere, so they don't have to cash checks for non-members.
Originally posted by Rex Fenestrarum: This is half the reason I have a passport - it's government-issued ID that's good for 10 years! I know those should work, but I've actually seen door guys in the US look at a passport like Burger King looks at a $2 bill.
With a vacant stare. To repeat the posts above, everything is at the discretion of the establishment.
Being a former door-guy and bartender, this is a wonderful way to weed out the unruly and unwanted. Private enterprise! A bar can refuse service to anyone. I've never understood the concept of not accepting an expired license as a form of ID. The license is used to confirm your identity and birthdate. If the license WAS EVER valid, then in fact you are who you say and that is your birthday. I just find it funny that a fake ID that has not 'expired' will get you in to some place that a state issued authentic ID which WAS VALID at some point no longer works to confirm your identity/age.
It's not like you suddenly become younger when the license expires. The expiration date should be specific to driving privileges, not whether or not it proves identity and age. Originally posted by BBBoT: I've never understood the concept of not accepting an expired license as a form of ID. The license is used to confirm your identity and birthdate. If the license WAS EVER valid, then in fact you are who you say and that is your birthday. I just find it funny that a fake ID that has not 'expired' will get you in to some place that a state issued authentic ID which WAS VALID at some point no longer works to confirm your identity/age. It's not like you suddenly become younger when the license expires.
The expiration date should be specific to driving privileges, not whether or not it proves identity and age. Say you have a younger brother. You give him your expired DL. He looks like you did three years ago when the picture was taken. That's why no one takes expired licenses. Like Burger King looks at a $2 bill.
With a vacant stare. Is there a backstory there? Please elaborate for general consumption. There have been frequent cases of people being detained and police called because cashiers (and managers!) beleive they were getting counterfeit money when a $2 bill was offered to them. I'm not sure if any of these incidents involved Burger King specifically, but 'burger king' elicits the intended concept of 'menial, uneducated, ignorant employee'. Although 'walmart cashier' seems to be more commonly used, these days. Like Burger King looks at a $2 bill.
With a vacant stare. Is there a backstory there? Please elaborate for general consumption. There have been frequent cases of people being detained and police called because cashiers (and managers!) beleive they were getting counterfeit money when a $2 bill was offered to them. I'm not sure if any of these incidents involved Burger King specifically, but 'burger king' elicits the intended concept of 'menial, uneducated, ignorant employee'.
Although 'walmart cashier' seems to be more commonly used, these days. It's worse than I thought. About passports, once again the difficulty is in the age of the documents.
When do people usually get their first passport? When they go on that school trip to Europe in junior year of high school. Chemdraw Keygen Download. Now you're in front of a bar six years later, with a document that has a photo of you as a pimply faced seventeen year old with an idiotic haircut.
Unless you have one eye or some other deformity, or are screamingly ugly in a really distinctive way, it could be anyone in line. Why would the doorman take a chance? The line is the key to doorman happiness. It tells him that he has absolutely no reason to take even a minuscule risk of letting in someone who might be trouble. One place I worked, after we got rolling and had a ridiculous line situation, I talked the owner into raising the age of admittance to 23. The gross went up, the tips went up, fights went down, it was the best gig ever.
Originally posted by JubJub: About passports, once again the difficulty is in the age of the documents. When do people usually get their first passport? When they go on that school trip to Europe in junior year of high school. Now you're in front of a bar six years later, with a document that has a photo of you as a pimply faced seventeen year old with an idiotic haircut. Unless you have one eye or some other deformity, or are screamingly ugly in a really distinctive way, it could be anyone in line. Why would the doorman take a chance?
The line is the key to doorman happiness. It tells him that he has absolutely no reason to take even a minuscule risk of letting in someone who might be trouble. One place I worked, after we got rolling and had a ridiculous line situation, I talked the owner into raising the age of admittance to 23.
The gross went up, the tips went up, fights went down, it was the best gig ever. [OT] Praise for spelling.
I can personally attest to the $2 bill thing, but in reverse. I used to run a cheesesteak store. For effiency, I replaced all our singles with dollar coins (this is less than a year after the Sakajawea Dollar was released) and two dollar bills. Once my employees got used to it, change was faster, and I had to replenish the drawer less often. However, teaching the customer was a whole other story. We used to get strange looks and confusion all the time.
People would complain we had shortchanged them because they never looked at the chang they got. Confusing the dollar coin for a quarter was unusually common. Our regulars adapted to the idea favorably, and once word spread, it became something of a selling point, but I swear I should have been paid by the US Mint for the classes I gave on that dollar coin. About passports, once again the difficulty is in the age of the documents.
When do people usually get their first passport? When they go on that school trip to Europe in junior year of high school. Now you're in front of a bar six years later, with a document that has a photo of you as a pimply faced seventeen year old with an idiotic haircut. Unless you have one eye or some other deformity, or are screamingly ugly in a really distinctive way, it could be anyone in line. Why would the doorman take a chance? Maybe I'm incorrect, but I thought Passports expired at 18?
Or they have a really short expiration time when you're a minor? Like Burger King looks at a $2 bill.
With a vacant stare. Is there a backstory there? Please elaborate for general consumption. There have been frequent cases of people being detained and police called because cashiers (and managers!) beleive they were getting counterfeit money when a $2 bill was offered to them. I'm not sure if any of these incidents involved Burger King specifically, but 'burger king' elicits the intended concept of 'menial, uneducated, ignorant employee'. Although 'walmart cashier' seems to be more commonly used, these days. It's worse than I thought.
You should see what the drones at KMart do when you give them a Sacagawea dollar. Originally posted by Happysin: Texas is real draconian about this. When I was taking my classes to be allowed to serve alcohol (yup, just to be a waiter), the woman flat-out told us that if they have an ID from out of state, or a passport ID, or anything that wasn't a valid Texas driver's license, we were entirely within our rights to refuse to serve them alcohol.
But that's at the bouncer's discretion, right? I mean, 3/4 of the people in bars at San Antonio's Riverwalk must be from out of state. Seems like a screwy way to help to tourism industry if the law says that you can *only* accept Texas IDs. Originally posted by Happysin: Texas is real draconian about this. When I was taking my classes to be allowed to serve alcohol (yup, just to be a waiter), the woman flat-out told us that if they have an ID from out of state, or a passport ID, or anything that wasn't a valid Texas driver's license, we were entirely within our rights to refuse to serve them alcohol.
But that's at the bouncer's discretion, right? I mean, 3/4 of the people in bars at San Antonio's Riverwalk must be from out of state. Seems like a screwy way to help to tourism industry if the law says that you can *only* accept Texas IDs. 'Within our rights', not 'required by law'.
Essentially, we could accept others if we wanted to, but it was our ass if they were fake. We could not be punished by our managers or sued by a parton under Texas law for refusing to serve a customer alcohol. Originally posted by JubJub: About passports, once again the difficulty is in the age of the documents. When do people usually get their first passport? When they go on that school trip to Europe in junior year of high school.
Now you're in front of a bar six years later, with a document that has a photo of you as a pimply faced seventeen year old with an idiotic haircut. Unless you have one eye or some other deformity, or are screamingly ugly in a really distinctive way, it could be anyone in line. Why would the doorman take a chance? The line is the key to doorman happiness.
It tells him that he has absolutely no reason to take even a minuscule risk of letting in someone who might be trouble. One place I worked, after we got rolling and had a ridiculous line situation, I talked the owner into raising the age of admittance to 23.
The gross went up, the tips went up, fights went down, it was the best gig ever. [OT] Praise for spelling. ++ [/OT] Wouldn't that be praise minus-minus?